Debate: Vox Day vs. Andrew Anglin

DEBATE: Andrew Anglin vs Vox Day on National Socialism

Given Vox Day’s high IQ (he says it’s around 145) and superior knowledge of history, I expected him to easily put Anglin away. That didn’t happen.

A problem is, you cannot look at Nazism from a contemporary, conventional left-right dichotomy, because those terms were different then than they are now and also because the Nazis defied such categorization. If one insist on doing so, some parts could be considered left-wing (for example, animal welfare, anti-smoking, the nationalization of certain businesses & industries, etc.); others could be right-wing (nationalism, militarism, tribalism, etc.). There is no consensus by historians of either side. Andrew went first and correctly notes the importance and unavoidability of hierarchy. Vox’s, in arguing that the NSDAP was liberal and inspired by Marxism, references part 8 of the Munich Manifesto, “All citizens must have equal rights and obligations,” which Vox equates with Marx’s dictum, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”. Both statements are vague, and probably intentionally so. How does one define ‘rights’, ‘obligations’, and ‘needs’? The Declaration Of Independence says, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness,” which reads almost the same as part 8. And yet economically and socially, America is very unequal. There is a hierarchy, that in large part is stratified by IQ. All constitutions, including the Constitution of the Soviet Union, guarantee ‘rights’. By Vox’s logic, America must have been inspired by Marx, too, apparently 42 years before he was even born.